<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16813291</id><updated>2009-10-23T03:52:56.997-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Jewish Countermissionary Blog</title><subtitle type='html'>This Blog was created to pick up where a friend of mine left off. He closed his Blog down several weeks ago so I will continue the work with this newly created Blog.</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishcountermissionary.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16813291/posts/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishcountermissionary.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Menachem</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>7</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16813291.post-9091896030167130422</id><published>2008-01-04T20:36:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-11-26T08:45:57.397-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Rashi's rationale on Daniel 7:13-14</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;By: Menachem&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;At first I would like to talk about &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&amp;amp;version=KJV&amp;amp;passage=Daniel+7%3A13-14"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;Daniel 7:13-14&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;and how it is applied. First let’s start with the quote.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&amp;amp;version=KJV&amp;amp;passage=Daniel+7%3A13-14"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;Daniel 7:13-14&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;“I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like a son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14. And there he was given dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;Now I will post the Aramaic to help explain a few things in this verse:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:130%;color:#000000;"&gt;חזה הוית בחזוי ליליא וארו עם-ענני כבר אנש אתה הוה ועד- עתיק יומיא מטה וקדמוהי הקרבוהי: ולה יהיב שלטן ויקר ומלכו וכל עממיא אמיא ולשניא לה יפלחון שלטנה שלטן עלם די-לא יעדה ומלכותה די-לא תתחבך&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;First I want tell you about some of the popular thoughts about this verse.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;1) Rashi says this verse is about King Messiah&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;2) Other commentators say this is about the Nation of IsraelI would first like to deal with the Christian claim of this being about jesus:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;1) Now I would like to discuss what Rashi said. Rashi said this was about King Messiah. How would he have arrived to this conclusion. My thought is that he was not looking at the “like a son of man” part but rather the rest of the verse and comparing it to the Aramaic Targum Onkelos of Genesis 49:10. Rashi was taking the part of “14. And there he was given dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;He compared this to this:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;Genesis 49:10(Targum Onkelos): “The ability to exercise dominion shall not pass away from the house of Judah, nor the sceptre from his children's children for ever, even when the Messiah comes to whom the kingdom belongs, and to him shall be the obedience of the nations (or, whom the peoples shall obey)."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;The Aramaic text for Genesis 49:10:Genesis 49:10(Targum Onkelos) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;י)לא יעדי עבד שלטן מדבית יהודה וספרא מבני בנוהי עד אלמא דייתי משיחא דדילה היא מלכותא ולה ישתמעון עממיא&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;Here we can see Rashi was associating the words Dominion (&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;שלטן&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;) and Kingdom (&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;מלכותא&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;) and (&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;מלכותה&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;) and also the word for Nations/Peoples (&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:130%;"&gt;עממיא&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;) which is used in both &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&amp;amp;version=KJV&amp;amp;passage=Daniel+7%3A14"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;Daniel 7:14&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;and Genesis 49:10(Targum Onkelos). &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;That I believe is the rationale that Rashi was using when he was associating this with the King Messiah.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;2) Many other commentators like to place this verse as to relating to the nation of Israel. For example they place the “Like a son of man” as personification of the Nation of Israel just as it has before (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&amp;amp;version=KJV&amp;amp;passage=Exodus+4%3A22"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;Exodus 4:22&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;). In &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&amp;amp;version=KJV&amp;amp;passage=Exodus+4%3A22"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;Exodus 4:22&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;Israel is called “G-d’s first-born son” and is personified all through the Tanakh as a male child. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;I can see Rashi’s point about how this can be about King Messiah once the reason and the association is outlined. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16813291-9091896030167130422?l=jewishcountermissionary.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishcountermissionary.blogspot.com/feeds/9091896030167130422/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16813291&amp;postID=9091896030167130422' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16813291/posts/default/9091896030167130422'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16813291/posts/default/9091896030167130422'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishcountermissionary.blogspot.com/2008/01/rashis-rationale-on-daniel-713-14.html' title='Rashi&apos;s rationale on Daniel 7:13-14'/><author><name>Menachem</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='15998041093318194369'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16813291.post-114893514977675468</id><published>2006-05-29T13:32:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-06-27T23:03:49.489-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Genesis 49:10 and the Messiah</title><content type='html'>By: Menachem&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In this article we are going to discuss Genesis 49:10 and what it really talks about. First I want to post the Hebrew text with translation along with the Aramaic Targums Onkelos and Yonatan/Yerushalami and for the sake of comparison I will post the KJV version of this verse. This will give us some insight on the view of this particular verse and how it was interpreted originally. I will also give Rashi’s comments on this matter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Genesis 49:10 (KJV):&lt;br /&gt;The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Genesis 49:10(Hebrew):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:130%;"&gt;לֹא-יָסוּר שֵׁבֶט מִיהוּדָה וּמְחֹקֵק מִבֵּין רַגְלָיו עַד כִּי-יָבֹא שִׁילֹה וְלוֹ יִקְּהַת עַמִּים:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Translation (Hebrew):&lt;br /&gt;The Scepter shall not depart from Judah nor a scholar from their midst until he arrives at Shiloh and to him will be the obedience of the peoples.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Genesis 49:10(Onkelos):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;לָא יְעִידֵי עָבֵיד שׁוּלטָן מִדְבֵית יְהוּדָה וְסָפְרָא מִבְנֵי בְנוֹהִי עַד עָלְמָא עַד דְיֵיתֵי מְשִׁיחָא דְדִילֵיה הִיא מַלכוּתָא וְלֵיה יִשׁתַמעוּן עַמְמַיָא׃&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Translation (Onkelos):&lt;br /&gt;The right to exercise Dominion shall not pass from the house of Judah and the scribe from his descendants for ever and ever, until the messiah arrives to whom the kingdom belongs and to whom the obedience of peoples is due.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Genesis 49:10(Yonatan/Yerushalami)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;לא פסקין מלכין ושליטין מדבית יהודה וספרין מאלפי אורייתא מזרעיה עד זמן די ייתי מלכא משיחא זעיר בנוי ובדיליה יתימסון עממייא:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Translation (Yonatan/Yerushalami):&lt;br /&gt;[The line of] kings shall not cease, nor will rulers, from the house of Judah, nor sages teaching the Torah from his descendants, until the time that the king messiah comes from his children; and on his behalf the people will come together.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The word &lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:130%;"&gt;וּמְחֹקֵק&lt;/span&gt; is rendered quite often as “Staff” in many Jewish translations. This is quite annoying and we are going to give a better rendering of “Scholar” along with support from other sources listed above. The Aramaic Targums are very crucial to understanding the proper interpretation of this particular verse and to lend credibility to the translation of &lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:130%;"&gt;וּמְחֹקֵק&lt;/span&gt; as “Scholar” and not “Staff.” The Targums lend this credibility due to their own rendering of this in a similar fashion as either “scribe” or “sages” using the words &lt;span style="font-family:georgia;font-size:130%;"&gt;סָפְרָא&lt;/span&gt; and &lt;span style="font-family:georgia;font-size:130%;"&gt;ספרין&lt;/span&gt; respectively (English word order). The KJV even recognizes that this word is not “staff” but renders it as “Lawgiver” in accordance with the view of “Scholar/Scribe/Sages.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rashi’s comments on Genesis 49:10:&lt;br /&gt;Rashi does a similar thing yet he explains it even further in his comments on certain words. For the sake of accuracy I will give Rashi’s comments in the Hebrew script and a translation of such.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rashi:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;עַד כִּי יָבא שִילׂה:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;מלך המשיח שהמלוכה שלו. וכן תרגמו אונקלוס. ומדרש אגדה שילו שי לו שנאמר (תהלים עו) יובילו שי למורא:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Translation of Rashi:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;until he arrives at Shiloh:&lt;/strong&gt; the King Messiah, to whom the kingdom belongs (&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;שֶׁלוֹ&lt;/span&gt;). And Yes! Onkelos [renders this also]. According to the Midrash Aggadah, “Shiloh (&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;שילה&lt;/span&gt;)” [is a combination of] &lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;שַׁי לוֹ&lt;/span&gt;, a gift to him, as it is said: “They will bring a gift to him who is to be feared” (Ps. 76:12).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ramban:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;עד כי יבא שילה ולו יקהת כל העמים:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;לעשות בכולם כרצונו, וזהו המשיח, כי השבט ירמוז לדוד שהוא המלך הראשון אשר לו שבט מלכות&lt;/span&gt; &lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;ושילה&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;הוא בנו&lt;/span&gt; &lt;strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;אשר לו יקהת העמים&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Translation of Ramban:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Until he comes to Shiloh and to him will be the obedience of peoples:&lt;/strong&gt; When he will be able to do as he pleases with all of the nations. This is referring to the Messiah. The Scepter [here] refers to David for he was the first king who had the royal scepter. &lt;strong&gt;“Shiloh”&lt;/strong&gt; refers to his son &lt;strong&gt;to whom there will be obedience from the nations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think these are sufficient for the sake of this article. According to Rashi’s and Ramaban’s rationale they considered this to be a reference to the King Messiah as they largely agree with Onkelos’ interpretive rendering of this verse.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16813291-114893514977675468?l=jewishcountermissionary.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishcountermissionary.blogspot.com/feeds/114893514977675468/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16813291&amp;postID=114893514977675468' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16813291/posts/default/114893514977675468'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16813291/posts/default/114893514977675468'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishcountermissionary.blogspot.com/2006/05/genesis-4910-and-messiah.html' title='Genesis 49:10 and the Messiah'/><author><name>Menachem</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='15998041093318194369'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16813291.post-114893363873765987</id><published>2006-05-29T13:09:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2007-08-02T14:27:17.476-07:00</updated><title type='text'>General post and comments!</title><content type='html'>I am creating this post on my blog for anyone to comment in. I will take suggestions for new articles in this section while just chatting with others in this section. So if anyone has a suggestion on an article or would like me to get in gear and finish other posts please post a comment and I will do my best. I know i promised an article on Jesus in the Talmud and on Fraudulant Zochar quotes. I am in the process of doing them and they have taken more time than usual, IOW I am busy as Hell! So leave a message and i'll get back to you.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Shalom U'Verachot&lt;br /&gt;Yosef Menachem Ben Avraham&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16813291-114893363873765987?l=jewishcountermissionary.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishcountermissionary.blogspot.com/feeds/114893363873765987/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16813291&amp;postID=114893363873765987' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16813291/posts/default/114893363873765987'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16813291/posts/default/114893363873765987'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishcountermissionary.blogspot.com/2006/05/general-post-and-comments.html' title='General post and comments!'/><author><name>Menachem</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='15998041093318194369'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16813291.post-113717909232711736</id><published>2006-01-13T10:59:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-08-02T14:27:54.026-07:00</updated><title type='text'>My new Facsimilie edition of the Leningrad codex.</title><content type='html'>Hello everyone I know I havent been able to comment much on my BLOG nor have been able to post the articles that i have promised due to time restraints on my person. Anyhow I would like to say that I am extremely happy now that my facsimilie edition of the Leningrad codex has arrived. Oh my I just couldnt contain myself when I was reading the text and all of that. I know many who say that the Leningrad codex is not the best or anything like that but they have to realize the Artscroll Tanakh, the BHS, The JPS Hebrew -English Tanakh and others are based on this manuscript. While I will agree that the Aleppo Codex is older and probably more accurate, in most cases, the fact of the matter is that that Aleppo Codex is incomplete. It is missing three fourths of the Torah and many of the writings due to suspicious conditions or the "fire" incident. That is all I would like to say at this time other than I am very close to finishing the articles promised and hopefully within the next few days they will be out there on the web read by whomever needs the Info.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Shalom,&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16813291-113717909232711736?l=jewishcountermissionary.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishcountermissionary.blogspot.com/feeds/113717909232711736/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16813291&amp;postID=113717909232711736' title='10 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16813291/posts/default/113717909232711736'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16813291/posts/default/113717909232711736'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishcountermissionary.blogspot.com/2006/01/my-new-facsimilie-edition-of-leningrad.html' title='My new Facsimilie edition of the Leningrad codex.'/><author><name>Menachem</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='15998041093318194369'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>10</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16813291.post-112733572043658129</id><published>2005-09-21T13:32:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2007-08-02T14:28:09.950-07:00</updated><title type='text'>An Examination of Psalm 22:17(16)</title><content type='html'>By: Menachem&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here is a comparison of a Jewish Translation and a&lt;em&gt; Christian Translation&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jewish Translation: Psalms 22:17 For dogs have surrounded me; a band of evildoers encompassed me, like a lion are my hands and my feet.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Christian Translation:&lt;/em&gt; &lt;em&gt;Psalms 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have enclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. (KJV)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The passage in Hebrew:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;כִּי סְבָבוּנִי כְּלָבִים עֲדַת מְרֵעִים, הִקִּיפוּנִי כָּאֲרִי יָדַי וְרַגְלָי.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The word that comes into question in this verse is the word K'ari &lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;כארי&lt;/span&gt; meaning Like a Lion. The distinctive translations have been highlighted in the verses of both. So the question is which one is correct? This problem can easily be resolved by examining other texts and other instances in which the word K’ari show up in the Tanakh. Here the Preposition (Ka-&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;כ&lt;/span&gt;) the Hebrew equivalent to like/as is used to give the word (Ari-&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;ארי&lt;/span&gt;) a preposition and a reading as "Like a lion." Coming from the word Aryah(&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;אריה&lt;/span&gt;) meaning “lion.”The Hebrew word K'ari is found elsewhere in the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) Numbers 23:24 (&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;כארי&lt;/span&gt; ) [and as a young Lion], Numbers24:9 (&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;כארי&lt;/span&gt;) [like a lion], Isaiah 38:13(&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;כארי&lt;/span&gt;) [like a lion], Ezekiel 22:25(&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;כארי&lt;/span&gt;) [like a lion] and Psalms 22:17[16] (&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;כארי&lt;/span&gt;) [They Pierced]. All of which are highlighted red are rendered correctly by the KJV translators the one that is blue is not rendered correctly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With that being said lets now examine other textual witnesses to this particular Psalm.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let’s look at the Aramaic Targum to Psalm 22:17 in the Aramaic first:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;מטול ארום דאחזרו עלי רשיע סיעת חייבין דמתילין לכלביא סגיעי כינשת מבאישין אקפוני נכתין היך כאריא אידי ורגלי:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This translates as follows:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Because the wicked have surrounded me, who are like many dogs, a gathering of evildoers have closed me in, biting like a lion my hands and my feet.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Targum of the Psalms bears witness to the accurate reading of the Psalm in Hebrew the Psalm actually reads “Like a Lion” here as it does in the Hebrew.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now that we know the Targum Identifies with the Hebrew text lets now examine the Psalm version from Nechal Hever (DSS).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the Hebrew of the Nechal Hever version of this psalm we find it to read:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;עדת מרעים הקיפוני כארי ידיה ורגלי:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many Christians want to read the word &lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;כארי&lt;/span&gt; as if it read &lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;כארו&lt;/span&gt;. The reason for this is because of the somewhat enlongated Yod(&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;י&lt;/span&gt;) that appears in the text and because they want the word “pierced” to appear there so bad they can taste it.. The only problem with this rendering is that they are rendering the word as a non-existent word. The word K’aru (&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;כארו&lt;/span&gt;) does not exist in the Hebrew language as a valid word. So there in lays the biggest problem of them all, a made up word that has the meaning of “pierced” assigned by Christians…hrm…not a very stable position to take on the subject matter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The another Christian position on the word &lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;כארי&lt;/span&gt; is that they maintain that the original word is the word Karu(&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;כרו&lt;/span&gt;). They base this claim off of the fraudulent claim that the Nechal hever psalms render it as K’aru and not K’ari. The only problem with this is that they hit a dead end with this claim as well. The term Karu(&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;כרו&lt;/span&gt;) means simply “to dig” as in “dig a ditch.” The term is not used anywhere in the Hebrew bible with any hint, connotation, nor even an inference that the word means “pierce.” It is always used to mean “to dig [a ditch].” In the Septuagint the reading is &lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:130%;color:#000000;"&gt;ωρυξαν&lt;/span&gt; (oruksan), which stems from the root &lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:130%;color:#000000;"&gt;ορύσσω&lt;/span&gt; (orusso) meaning “to dig” as in to dig a trench” this is rendered thus according to Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, An Intermediate Greek-English Lexicon Which does not list this particular word as meaning pierced.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many Christian arguments that are usually not mentioned by your typical missionary but is good to know anyway would be the claim that in the Olden days of the Hebrew language sometimes an Aleph was added to a Hebrew word. This is true sometimes one was added to a word. Christian missionaries then proceed to claim that that is what happened to the word Karu(&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;כרו&lt;/span&gt;) in this particular instance. They claim that an Aleph(&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;א&lt;/span&gt;) was added to this word to produce the word K’aru(&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;כארו&lt;/span&gt;). That might hold up if you didn’t know Hebrew. There is no known occurrence of this ever happening to the word Karu in all of Jewish literature. While some words do show this happening to them it is erroneous to think that happened with this word especially when the only thing they present is an assumption that this has occurred.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The above given at Nechal hever also has a Peculiarity about it. The thing that is peculiar is the rendering of the word for “my hands.” In the Hebrew Tanakh the word for “my hands” is rendered as&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt; ידי&lt;/span&gt; which is masculine in gender and in the first person. The one at Nechal Hever is rendered as &lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;ידיה&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt; and is in the third person and is feminine in gender. Anyone who has a working knowledge of Hebrew that in most cases a “Heh” ending on a Plural noun makes it feminine in Gender. So a more accurate rendering of the Nechal Hever version in English would be:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Like a Lion are her hands and my feet.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Placing this Nechal Hever version to jesus would be a futile attempt since Christians would have to overcome the obstacles I listed above.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No one really knows why Christians choose to render this psalm incorrectly maybe they have this thing about proving jesus in the Tanakh. They try to render this word to mean pierced when it just doesn’t have this meaning. The Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) uses several words for pierced those including "Khadar (&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;חדר&lt;/span&gt;)" in Ezekiel 21:19, "Nakav (&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;נקב&lt;/span&gt;)" in Hab 3:14, "palakh (&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;פלח&lt;/span&gt;)" in Job 16:13, and "ratza (&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;רצע&lt;/span&gt;)" Exodus 21:6. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that none of these words even resembles the term K'ari(&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;כארי&lt;/span&gt;)...So in conclusion I would like to give just a brief overview of what was discussed above. Above we discussed the various usages of the term K’ari (&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;כארי&lt;/span&gt;) and how it was incorrectly translated by the KJV and other Christian versions to try and fool the reader. We examined other textual witnesses such as the ancient Aramaic Targum to this Psalm to show that the reading of “Like a Lion” is the best and most accurate of the renderings.&lt;br /&gt;We also examined the textual rendering of the Psalm found at Nechal Hever. We exposed its true rendering and why it is impossible for it to have this rendering as well as the attributation of this particular version to that of jesus. So now we can safely say that the Psalm does not say “pierced” but in fact says “like a lion.”&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16813291-112733572043658129?l=jewishcountermissionary.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishcountermissionary.blogspot.com/feeds/112733572043658129/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16813291&amp;postID=112733572043658129' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16813291/posts/default/112733572043658129'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16813291/posts/default/112733572043658129'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishcountermissionary.blogspot.com/2005/09/examination-of-psalm-221716.html' title='An Examination of Psalm 22:17(16)'/><author><name>Menachem</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='15998041093318194369'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16813291.post-112717405019175928</id><published>2005-09-19T16:30:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-06-27T23:05:58.200-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Isaiah 9:5[6] about what?</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;By: Menachem&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was going over some of the "prophecies" that christians point to to "prove" that jesus is the messiah. This one came across as particularly weak so I would like to take a look at it and get everyone's opinion on the matter. The Christian position is that Isaiah 9:5[6] points to everything that J-sus is or that is in his name. It is claimed by christians that he is "the eternal father", "the Mighty G-d" and "the prince of peace." along with "wonderful counsellor." Lets post the Hebrew so that we can see what is going on here&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Hebrew reads:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;כִּי-יֶלֶד יֻלַד-לָנוּ בֵּן נִתַּן-לָנוּ וַתְּהִי הַמִּשְרָה עַל-שִכְמוֹ וַיִּקְרָא שְמוֹ פֶּלֶא יּוֹעֵץ אֵל גִּבּוֹר אֲבִי-עַד שַר-שָלוֹם&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A Jewish Translation from the Hebrew:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Isaiah 9:5. For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government is upon his shoulder; and his name shall be called "wonderful counselor, mighty G-d, eternal father, a peaceful ruler."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For the sake of argument the KJV reads:&lt;br /&gt;Isaiah 9:6. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (KJV)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The differences are very visible between my translation from the Hebrew and what the KJV renders. The main differences being the usage of the word "the" improperly and the tanslation of "Sar Shalom." Now in order for the terms to read "the mighty G-d,The everlasting father, or The Prince of Peace(?)" the particle Heh (&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt; ה&lt;/span&gt; ) would have to appear in each of the terms in hebrew which it does not. So saying "The....." would be gramatically incorrect to say the least.So what is in this person's name. I submit that all of the terms but the last one "Sar Shalom" are not part of the person's name but are descriptions of G-d himself. for evidence I give the Aramaic targum of Yonatan to Isaiah to clarify the misconception of the person's name:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Targum Yonatan:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;אַמַר נְבִיָא לְבֵית דָוִד אֲרֵי רָבֵי אִיתְיְלִיד לָנָא בַּר אִתְיְהַב לָנָא וְקַבֵּל אוֹרַיְתָא עֲלוֹהִי לְמַטְרָהּ וְאִתְקְרֵי שְמֵיהּ מִן קַדָם מַפְלִיא עֵצָה אֳלָהָא נִבָּרָא קַיָם לְעַלְמַיָא מְשִיחָא דִשְלָמָא יַסְגֵי עֲלָנָא בְּיוֹמוֹהִי&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Translation:&lt;br /&gt;The Prophet said to the House of David, For a Child is born to us, to us a son is given; and he will accept the Torah upon himself to observe it, and his name shall be called before the Wonderful Counselor, the Mighty G-d, who exists forever, “The anointed one in who’s days peace will increase upon us.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From the Targum we can tell that the terms "Pele yo'etz ( &lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;פֶּלֶא יּוֹעֵץ&lt;/span&gt; )," "El gibbor ( &lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;אֵל גִּבּוֹר&lt;/span&gt; )," "Avi-Ad ( &lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;אֲבִי-עַד&lt;/span&gt; )" were never meant to be human attributes but that of G-d's himself. the only thing that was left to the child mentioned was "Sar-Shalom ( &lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;שַר-שָלוֹם&lt;/span&gt; )" rendered correctly as "Peaceful Ruler." The Targum calls this person "the anointed one in who's days peace will increase upon us." the Targum makes a careful play on the words "Sar-Shalom" trying to place it as a future King who will bring peace in his days.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I happen to like Radak and Rashi's view of this being King Hezekiah and how he was this peaceful ruler or rather how peace increased in his days as the Targum put it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rashi was regarded saying:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;כי ילד יולד לנו&lt;/strong&gt;. אע"פ שאחז רשע הוא בנו הנולד לו זה כמה שנים להיות לנו תחתיו למלך צדיק יהיה ותהיה משרת הקב"ה ועולו על שכמו שיהיה עוסק בתורה ושומר מצות ויטה שכם למשאו של הקב"ה ויקרא שמו הקב"ה שהוא מפליא עצה ואל גבור ואבי עד, קרא שמו של חזקיהו שר שלום כי שלום ואמת יהיה בימיו:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Radak said as thus:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;כי ילד ילד&lt;/strong&gt;. זה אמר על חזקיהו לפי שבימי מלכותו היתה התשועה הזאת לישראל שנגף מחנה אשור, כאלו אמר זה יהיה בזכות הילד שילד לנו:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16813291-112717405019175928?l=jewishcountermissionary.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishcountermissionary.blogspot.com/feeds/112717405019175928/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16813291&amp;postID=112717405019175928' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16813291/posts/default/112717405019175928'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16813291/posts/default/112717405019175928'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishcountermissionary.blogspot.com/2005/09/isaiah-956-about-what.html' title='Isaiah 9:5[6] about what?'/><author><name>Menachem</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='15998041093318194369'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16813291.post-112690370367203685</id><published>2005-09-16T16:50:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2007-08-02T14:28:43.015-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Targum Yonantan to Isaiah 53</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Targum Yonatan to Isaiah 52:13 – 53:12&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The text of the targum will be given above the translation so to avoid any confusion and footnotes are provided in areas for direction and explanation if needed. The purpose of this is to give the reader a knowledge of what this Targum actually says and who or what Isaiah 53 is about. See for yourself Israel is the topic. Have Fun!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;הָא יַצלַח עַבדִי מְשִיחָא יִראַם וְיִסגֵי וְיִתקַף לַחדָא׃&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;52:13”Behold my anointed servant shall prosper, he shall be be raised up in praise and increase, and shall be very strong.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:georgia;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;דַהְוָה כְמָא דְסַבַרוּ לֵיה בֵית יִשׂרָאֵל יוֹמִין סַגִיאִין חְשוֹך בֵינֵי עַמְמַיָא חִזוְהוֹן וְזִיוְהוֹן מִבְנֵי אְנָשָא׃&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;52:14. ”Just as the House of Israel had hoped for this many days, Their appearences were very dark among the peoples; and their aspects were beyond that of humanity(lit. sons of men).”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:georgia;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;מַלכִין כֵין יְבַדַר עַמְמִין סַגִיאִין עְלוֹהִי יִשתְקוּן יְשַוֹון יַדהוֹן עַל פוּמְהוֹן אְרֵי דְלָא אִשתַעִיאוּ לְהוֹן חְזוֹ וּדלָא שְמַעוּ אִסתַכַלוּ׃&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;52:15. ”Kings shall disperse him among many peoples, they shall be silent because of him, they shall place their hands over their mouths; for things that have not been told to them they will see, and that which they have not heard they will understand”&lt;a title="" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn1" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=16813291#_ftn1" name="_ftnref1"&gt;[1]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:georgia;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;דְרָע גְבוּרְתָא דַיוי מַן הֵימֵין לִבסוֹרְתַנָא דָא וּתקוֹף כִדֵין עַל מַן אִתגְלִיאַת׃&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;53:1&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;”Who will believe our report? And to whom has the strength of the arm of Hashem revealed to.”&lt;a title="" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn2" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=16813291#_ftn2" name="_ftnref2"&gt;[2]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;דְפָרַן וְיִתרַבַא צַדִיקַיָא קֳדָמוֹהִי הָא כְלַבלַבִין וּכאִילָן דִמשַלַח שוּרשוֹהִי עַל נִגדִין דְמַיִין כֵין תוֹלְדָת קוּדשָא בְאַרעָא דַהֲוָת צָרִיכָה לֵיה לָא יִסגְיָן וְלָא אֵימְתֵיה אֵימַת הִדיוֹט וִיהֵי חַזוֵיה חוּלָא חִזוֵיה זִיו קוּדשָא זִיוֵיה דְכָל דְיִחזֵינֵיה יִסתַכַל בֵיה׃&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;53:2. “And the rightous will be lifted upbefore him, and behold, like plants which sprout and like a tree which spreads out its roots next to streams of water, so to will holy generations increase upon the land which needs him; His appearence is not a common appearence and his fear is not an ordinary fear, and his intelligence will be holy intelligence&lt;a title="" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn3" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=16813291#_ftn3" name="_ftnref3"&gt;[3]&lt;/a&gt;, such that everyone who looks at him will be considerate of him.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;כָל בְכֵין יְהֵי לְבוּסרָן וְיִפסוּק יְקָר מַלכְוָתָא יְהוֹן חַלָשִין וְדָווַן הָא כַאְנָש כֵיבִין לְמַרעִין וּכמָא דַהֲוָת מְסַלְקָא אַפֵי שְכִינְתָא וּמזָמַן מִנַנָא בְסִירִין וְלָא חְשִיבִין׃&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;53:3“Contempt and cease will be for all kingdoms in their glory; they will faint and mourn, behold as a man of sorrows and appointed for sicknesses as when the face of Shekinah( I.e. G-d) was taken aways from us, they are despised and not esteemed.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#000000;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;בְדִילֵיה בְכֵין עַל חוֹבַנָא הוּא יִבעֵי וַעְוָיָתַנָא יִשתַבקָן וַאְנַחנָא חְשִיבִין כְתִישִין מַחָן מִן ק יוי וּמעֻנַן׃&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;53:4&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;”Then he will beseech us concerning our sins and our iniquities will be forgiven upon his request,&lt;a title="" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn4" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=16813291#_ftn4" name="_ftnref4"&gt;[4]&lt;/a&gt; They we were esteemed wounded, smitten before G-d and afflicted.”&lt;a title="" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn5" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=16813291#_ftn5" name="_ftnref5"&gt;[5]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;בְחוֹבַנָא אִתמְסַר וְהוּא יִבנֵי בֵית מַקדְשָא דְאִיתַחַל עְלַנָא בַעְוָיָתַנָא וּבאֻלפָנֵיה שְלָמָא יִסגֵי וּבִידִנתִינוֹהִי לְפִתגָמוֹהִי חוֹבַנָא יִשתַבקוּן לַנָא׃&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;53:5. ”And he will build the Temple which was profaned by our sins, and handed over for our iniquities, and by his teaching his peace will increase upon us in that we should attach ourselves to his word so that our sin will be forgiven.” &lt;a title="" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn6" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=16813291#_ftn6" name="_ftnref6"&gt;[6]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;לָקֳבֵיל אוֹרחֵיה גְלֵינָא כוּלַנָא כְעָנָא אִתבַדַרנָא גְבַר וּמִן קֻ יוי הְוָת רַעְוָא לְמִשבַק חוֹבֵי כוּלַנָא בְדִילֵיה׃&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;53:6&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;“All of us like sheep have scattered, we have gone into dispersion, everyone went his own way; and before Hashem it was his pleasure to forgive all of us upon his request.&lt;a title="" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn7" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=16813291#_ftn7" name="_ftnref7"&gt;[7]&lt;/a&gt;”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;פוּמֵיה בָעֵי וְהוּא מִיתָבַב וְעַד לָא פָתַח מִתקַבַל תַקִיפֵי עַמְמַיָא כְאִימְרָא לְנִכסְתָא יִמסַר דִקֳדָם גָזְזַהָא שָתְקָא וְלֵית לְקִבלֵיה וּכרַחלָא דְפָתַח פוּמֵיה וּממַלֵיל מִלָא׃&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;53:7 “He requests and he is answered and before he opens his mouth he is accepted; the strong among the people will be handed over like sheep to the slaughter, and like an ewe to the shearers is dumb, so there is not one in front of him who opens his mouth and speaks a word.”&lt;a title="" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn8" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=16813291#_ftn8" name="_ftnref8"&gt;[8]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;גָלְוָתַנָא פְרִישָן וּמִפוֹרעָנוּ יְקָרֵיב מִיִסוּרִין אְרֵי דְיִתעַבדָן לַנָא בְיוֹמוֹהִי מַן יִכוֹל לְאִשתְעָאָה יַעדֵי שוּלטָן עַמְמַיָא מֵאַרעָא דְיִשׂרָאֵל חוֹבִין דְחָבוּ עַמִי עַד לְוָתְהוֹן יִמטֵי׃&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;53:8"From bonds and retribution he will bring our dispersed near. Who will be able to count the wonders done in his days. For he will take away the dominion of the land of the peoples, to Israel, the sins of my people will be cast upon him.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;נִכסַיָא וְיִמסַר יָת רַשִיעַיָא לְגֵיהִנָם וְיָת עַתִירֵי דַאְנַסוּ בְמוֹתָא דְאַבדָנָא בְדִיל דְלָא יִתקַייְמוּן חִטאָה וְלָא יְמַלְלוּן נִכלִין עָבְדֵי בְפוּמְהוֹן׃&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;53:9&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;“The wicked will be taken to Gehennom and those with rich possessions will be robbed to the death with corruption, lest those who commit sin establish and speak of their possessions with their mouths.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;שְאָרָא וּמִן קֳדָם יוי הְוָת רַעְוָא לְמִצרַף וּלדַכָאָה יָת דְעַמֵיה בְדִיל לְנַקָאָה מֵחוֹבִין נַפשְהוֹן יִחזוֹן מְשִיחְהוֹן יִסגוֹן בְנִין וּבנָן יוֹרְכוּן יוֹמִין בְמַלכוּת וְעָבְדֵי אוֹרָיתָא דַיוי בִרעוּתֵיה יַצלְחוּן׃&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;53:10&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;"Yet before HaShem it was His pleasure to cleanse and refine the remnant of his people, in order to purify their soul from their transgressions; so that they will see the kingdom of their Messiah, sons and daughters shall increase for those who practice the Torah of HaShem and they shall have prolonged days and prosper in his pleasure”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;color:#000000;"&gt;בְפוֹרעָנוּת מִשִעבוּד עַמְמַיָא יְשֵיזֵיב נַפשְהוֹן יִחזוֹן יְזַכֵי סָנְאֵיהוֹן יִסבְעוּן מִבִזַת מַלכֵיהוֹן בְחָכמְתֵיה זַכָאִין בְדִיל לְשַעבָדָא סַגִיאִין לְאוֹרָיתָא וְעַל חוֹבֵיהוֹן הוּא יִבעֵי׃&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;53:11 “From the slavery among the other peoples their soul will be delivered, their adversaries shall see their retribution. They will be satistfied with plunder from the other kings and through his wisdom many will be subject to the Torah and he will beseech concerning their sins and see to it that the innocent are counted as innocent.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:180%;color:#000000;"&gt;עַמְמִין סַגִיאִין וְיָת נִכסֵי בְכֵין אְפַלֵיג לֵיה בִיזַת דִמסַר לְמוֹתָא כַרכִין תַקִיפִין יְפַלֵיג עְדָאָה חְלָף עַל נַפשֵיה וְיָת מָרוֹדַיָא שַעבֵיד לְאוֹרָיתָא וְהוּא יִשתְבֵיק חוֹבִין יִבעֵי וּלמָרוֹדַיָא בְדִילֵיה׃ &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;53:12. "Then I will divide him the plunder of many peoples, and he shall divide the spoils, the possesions of the mighty fortresses; because he exposed his soul to death and subjected those who rebelled [againsts G-d], to the Torah. Yet he will beseech many for their sins and those who rebelled shall be forgiven.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a title="" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn1" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=16813291#_ftnref1" name="_ftn1"&gt;[1]&lt;/a&gt; The prophet concludes his speech with this verse.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a title="" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn2" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=16813291#_ftnref2" name="_ftn2"&gt;[2]&lt;/a&gt; The Gentile Kings begin their speech with this verse.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a title="" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn3" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=16813291#_ftnref3" name="_ftn3"&gt;[3]&lt;/a&gt; I.e. Knowledge of the Torah&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a title="" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn4" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=16813291#_ftnref4" name="_ftn4"&gt;[4]&lt;/a&gt; The people will come to the Jews and the Jews will ask G-d to forgive their sins and iniquities&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a title="" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn5" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=16813291#_ftnref5" name="_ftn5"&gt;[5]&lt;/a&gt; Speech by Gentile kings ends in this verse.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a title="" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn6" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=16813291#_ftnref6" name="_ftn6"&gt;[6]&lt;/a&gt; The Prophet speaks on behalf of Israel or Israel is speaking as a whole. The speaker takes over in this verse and continues to the end of the chapter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a title="" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn7" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=16813291#_ftnref7" name="_ftn7"&gt;[7]&lt;/a&gt; Wording of Aramaic unclear. “his request” implies the prophet’s request to G-d to forgive the people of Israel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a title="" style="mso-footnote-id: ftn8" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=16813291#_ftnref8" name="_ftn8"&gt;[8]&lt;/a&gt; As a condition of our forgiveness the Jews must endure exile as explained in verses 9 though 12&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/16813291-112690370367203685?l=jewishcountermissionary.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://jewishcountermissionary.blogspot.com/feeds/112690370367203685/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16813291&amp;postID=112690370367203685' title='12 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16813291/posts/default/112690370367203685'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/16813291/posts/default/112690370367203685'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://jewishcountermissionary.blogspot.com/2005/09/targum-yonantan-to-isaiah-53.html' title='Targum Yonantan to Isaiah 53'/><author><name>Menachem</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='15998041093318194369'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>12</thr:total></entry></feed>